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Jimmy
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| 11/29/2009 4:50 AM |
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| I agree with David. In fact David you are awesome. I've been following a lot you have been saying in other topics. Thanks for clearing up that lust confusion. I used to think just by looking at a girl and seeing her as attractive I was sinning. Girls don't generally have to try to attract a guy's attention. In fact a girl in a big hooded sweatshirt and pajama pants turns me on (and by that I mean attracts me).
And Clare you said, "She has a better face, her chest is hott, that other girl's butt is sexier, all that is just sick." This is very true and it happens more often then you think. I hate hearing about it too. I think when you start taking pieces off of a girl it's not longer that girl, but your own twisted creation. I wish these guys would just accept the real beauty of God's original creation. |
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Liz
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| 11/30/2009 2:34 PM |
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| ^Amen brother!
I think it's weird how some girls sk "How far can i go?" Still being "modest", but on the edge.
A friend of mine knew that a guy she liked was going to be visiting our church on Sunday, so she spent half an hour looking through her closet trying to find something he might notice but her dad would still let her wear. (she ended up getting sick, though)
Why doesn't she do that every Sunday, (as in spend time deciding what to wear) except thinking "What can i wear that will please GOD?"
instead of the people around.
I just lent her my copy of FYWO, so...... |
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A girl should be so lost in God that a guy has to go in Him in order to find her |
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Nicole
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| 12/18/2009 5:42 PM |
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Wow this is a lot to digest.  Thanks, guys, for your input! It gives me a lot to think about. I didn't think a girl in a sweatshirt and Pj pants could attract a guy. (she's shapeless in a sweatshirt, right?) :/ I have to agree with what you guys are saying though. |
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whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect -Mark Twain |
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wjr1991
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| 12/18/2009 10:31 PM |
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| No, girls aren't shapeless in a sweatshirt. And definitely they can be attractive. Especially if they have an attractive face. |
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JoJo
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| 12/21/2009 10:20 PM |
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At least, if he's saying what I think he's saying. First off, yes, the only reasonable way to prevent guys from noticing that you're a girl is, in fact, to package yourself in a box. (I'll leave out the part about putting that box in another box and mailing it to yourself, and smashing it with a hammer on arrival.)
HAHA ok will, I totally applaude you on this... "Emporer's New Groove" rocks!!! Im dying of laughter! 
but yes. like I've said, and like david and will have said. you can only really stop people noticing your body if you wear a box. sorry if I've left anyone out... |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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God Bless!
Mwah XOXO
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JoJo
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| 12/21/2009 10:21 PM |
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oh and big up's to jimmy for his comment
yeah girls in sweats and hoodies can be attractive... i've had guys give me odd looks when I've gone to town to do grocery shopping in that get up... |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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God Bless!
Mwah XOXO
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smileybookworm
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| 12/28/2009 10:23 AM |
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| I read a book titled "the delecate power of modesty" and it's a really good book. the main message was that modesty is a mindset and your clothes just reflect that mindset.
Me, I wear a turtle neck, sweatshirt/sweater, and jeans everyday in the winter. I dress for comfort, warmth (minnesota gets pretty cold), and so I don't have to worry about my neckline.
I like the guy's posts. The guys I know don't talk like that, or maybe they would if they were annonomous.
My advice, dress for God. Would you dress in a way that would negatively attract a guy if you were thinking about God when you got dressed? |
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Jesus has a thing for losers.
-Losers by Me in Motion |
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Liz
Posts:341
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| 12/28/2009 10:31 AM |
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Amen Sister! MN is COLD! I put on so many layers people have to ask if it's really me in there! 
I wonder why people- and especially girls- wear jeans and a semi-casual shirt to Church. We're going to worship God. Why can't we dress up- modestly of course. I always wear long skirts and modest top or a dress (unless it's a freezing MN day and I have to wear pants). That's just how i like to dress. |
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A girl should be so lost in God that a guy has to go in Him in order to find her |
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wjr1991
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| 12/28/2009 11:25 AM |
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Liz, as I'm given to understand, it is how some people interpret the veil being torn... that we now have permanent access to God anywhere and everywhere, as we are. So from that perspective, they might ask why you don't get dressed up to pray and read the Bible... because only the "Bill Gates" of Jews were able to afford their own copy of the Scriptures, so they only had access to it through the synagogue, if I'm not mistaken.
Another reason: They might think it's pretentious to "dress up" for God, and makes them look like religious prigs. Because, as it's put in the Psalms (and I paraphrase) "I have learned that what God wants is not sacrifices and rituals, but a heart that is broken, repentant and honest." So they would say that because they are going to worship God, they feel they ought NOT dress up. |
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Most of the nearly two billion children in the developing world have inadequate access to dinosaurs. Some receive no paleontology training at all. One in three has never even seen a dinosaur in person.
OVPC is an organization providing a means to an end - an end that sees children in even the most remote regions of the globe being given the motivation and adrenaline to tap into their own potential, identify with the survival needs of a global dinosaur-driven culture, and to contribute to a paleontological world community.
Support the cause at velociraptorz.org |
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wjr1991
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| 12/28/2009 11:26 AM |
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| Oh, and Jo, thank you... though in truth it might be better to say that if you don't want guys to notice your figure, you may actually need both boxes. |
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Most of the nearly two billion children in the developing world have inadequate access to dinosaurs. Some receive no paleontology training at all. One in three has never even seen a dinosaur in person.
OVPC is an organization providing a means to an end - an end that sees children in even the most remote regions of the globe being given the motivation and adrenaline to tap into their own potential, identify with the survival needs of a global dinosaur-driven culture, and to contribute to a paleontological world community.
Support the cause at velociraptorz.org |
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clare
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| 12/28/2009 9:49 PM |
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But boxes are uncomfortable! LOL
I don't think there's anything wrong with wearing our better clothes to church! I've seen people go to church in sweat pants and a hoodie,and I can't help but think, wow is it so much work to get dresses? We wear our nicer clothes to school, holidays etc. I know some people would say that it becomes where we dress to impress. But I'd feel weird going to church in the same thing I wear to shovel the goat pen! |
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wjr1991
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| 12/29/2009 10:37 AM |
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That's what packing peanuts are for!
Nor do I, though I'm currently the only guy in my family who doesn't wear a suit and tie. (My dad is the pastor, my older brother is the organist, my little brother has a thing going that frankly looks like Johnny Cash, with perhaps a white tie. He drums... in a suit.) I just don't like ties, and don't wear a coat without the tie. (Also, I haven't a tweed coat at the moment.) But I also happen to be pretty comfortable in a button down the front shirt, and just might show up and hang out in one. But for some people, they do indeed feel like they're trying to impress God... and if their conscience is that bothered by it, God bless 'em. |
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Most of the nearly two billion children in the developing world have inadequate access to dinosaurs. Some receive no paleontology training at all. One in three has never even seen a dinosaur in person.
OVPC is an organization providing a means to an end - an end that sees children in even the most remote regions of the globe being given the motivation and adrenaline to tap into their own potential, identify with the survival needs of a global dinosaur-driven culture, and to contribute to a paleontological world community.
Support the cause at velociraptorz.org |
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smileybookworm
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| 12/29/2009 10:37 AM |
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| the clothes I wear all the time tend to be "dressy" or at least as far as I will go. I don't dress up for church, but I don't dress down either. I might put heals on or something though. The only thing I actually do dress up for is orch. concerts where we all have to wear ugly long black dresses. ugh. I honestly don't think God minds that we dress up for church. somewhere in the bible Jesus said "Where two or more people are there I am" church is anywhere we are worshiping God. We can dress up for Him or we can dress up for the other people who are dressing up for church. Don't know where this is going but it sounded good in my head. lol |
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Jesus has a thing for losers.
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Adelynn
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| 12/29/2009 8:28 PM |
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Ha, Will, your brother is awesome =] My younger brother wore cowboy boots until he was four. All the time. He wouldn't wear any other shoes. Ever. He only gave them up when he couldn't actually get his foot in them.
I don't ever wear dresses, unless Christian Impact at the college is having a dance. They are cold (It's only supposed to be 5 below zero tonight...) and uncomfortable for me! I like to not worry about them flying up suddenly in the wind. And even if the wind doesn't lift them up, it pushes them against my body like saran wrap |
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"Angel of Mercy, how did you find me? How did you pick me up again? Angel of Mercy, how did you move me, why am I on my feet again?" -One Republic |
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Liz
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| 12/30/2009 10:40 PM |
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Liz, as I'm given to understand, it is how some people interpret the veil being torn... that we now have permanent access to God anywhere and everywhere, as we are. So from that perspective, they might ask why you don't get dressed up to pray and read the Bible... because only the "Bill Gates" of Jews were able to afford their own copy of the Scriptures, so they only had access to it through the synagogue, if I'm not mistaken.
Another reason: They might think it's pretentious to "dress up" for God, and makes them look like religious prigs. Because, as it's put in the Psalms (and I paraphrase) "I have learned that what God wants is not sacrifices and rituals, but a heart that is broken, repentant and honest." So they would say that because they are going to worship God, they feel they ought NOT dress up.
thanks wjr, i totally get that. But I also think that last line is just silly. (not you, people that use it. unless you do ) Why should we not dress up for God when we dress up for school, going shopping, etc.? |
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A girl should be so lost in God that a guy has to go in Him in order to find her |
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wjr1991
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| 01/01/2010 11:32 AM |
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| As I'm given to understand, their reasoning is that it's trying to impress God with how we dress, so they would not dress part what they normally wear, because they think it's part of "coming as you are". |
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Most of the nearly two billion children in the developing world have inadequate access to dinosaurs. Some receive no paleontology training at all. One in three has never even seen a dinosaur in person.
OVPC is an organization providing a means to an end - an end that sees children in even the most remote regions of the globe being given the motivation and adrenaline to tap into their own potential, identify with the survival needs of a global dinosaur-driven culture, and to contribute to a paleontological world community.
Support the cause at velociraptorz.org |
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clare
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| 01/05/2010 3:38 PM |
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I totally understand what you're saying. In fact that almost sounds like the hippies would say. If you found a hippy that goes to church!
Maybe I should start a new topic on this...but I don't feel like it. So on Sunday my pastor preached a sermon that really made me think. I talked to him for an hour afterward and I have a question that I don't think has an answer but I want to hear others opinions.
If you had a new Christian and you were going to recommend a church for them would it be better to send them to a very liberal church where "it's all love, God's grace covers everything, be who you are and it all goes, it's all love and happiness" Or would you recommend a church that is conservative, where there might be more rules and standards and maybe traditions?
As a christian would it be better to stay in a church where you are always on your guard "is this biblical, do I agree with this, is this conduct acceptable" or to be in a church where they have rules as to what is acceptable and where there is a written "what we believe" and if you don't agree, then maybe you should find a different church.
I grew up in the most conservative church out there, only the Amish are more conservative, so I know where I tend to lean toward. Now we have a different church and my pastor leans is a totally different direction. We have quite the talks! |
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TwoCorin517
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| 01/06/2010 3:11 PM |
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I think appreciation, and even evaluation of a girl's beauty is within the limits of ok. I think lust comes when it turns from that into fantasy. Reading this gave me an idea for a rule of thumb when it comes to dressing... when it comes to the absence of clothing... It seems like if it'd be awkward to have in touching you there, it shouldn't be uncovered...
As far as introducing a new Christian to the faith, I lean towards the conservative side... If the conservative church is doing it right. Then they should be upright people who aren't judging others. The Christian should have people to look up to, but still be able to understand that being righteous is a struggle for everyone.
With that said, I'd also like to mention that judging people because of how they dress is wrong. |
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emilyjanelle
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| 01/07/2010 1:47 PM |
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If you had a new Christian and you were going to recommend a church for them would it be better to send them to a very liberal church... Or would you recommend a church that is conservative?
Clare, that's a really good, tough question. I would say my church is probably somewhere in the middle of all that. we're non-denominational and charismatic (though I hate labels, I'm giving that one just for clarity). but both my senior and associate pastors came from strong Catholic upbringings, so they have that "traditional" mindest instilled in them.
I've heard of and seen for myself, many times, brand new Christians come and go because they either didn't like our charismatic approach to worship, prayer, and... everything! or they leave because we're "too stuck in the four walls of our church." personally, it's going to come down to the Holy Spirit convicting that person if he or she is right to go to (or leave) a church. you can certainly recommend this or that, but in the end, God decides the course of a person's life. |
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Adelynn
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| 01/07/2010 5:51 PM |
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Hey, twocorin, be careful of "evaluating" a girl's beauty. I think you mean well, but what if girls evaluated you on your handsomeness or manlyness or how romantic you are? Don't you think that you already have a lot of pressure on yourself, without being compared to Edward Cullen (from Twilight)? Well, us gals grow up with this immense pressure to look and be amazing from the first little frilly pink dress our parents dress us in, so when we're worried about being "evaluated" that really only makes us have panic attacks about whether someone thinks that we are ugly (since, whether we admit it or not, most of us have some insecurity about our value being based on our attractiveness)
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"Angel of Mercy, how did you find me? How did you pick me up again? Angel of Mercy, how did you move me, why am I on my feet again?" -One Republic |
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