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David
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| 07/08/2009 6:21 PM |
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Truth be told, I might not feel as strongly as I seem. One thing about me is that, when having an intellectual discussion, I often come across as very passionate when I actually have very little emotion about the subject. This is, at least in part, due to the fact that I love to debate and have in depth discussions.
The other reasons is that, when I fall in love with a woman, my love for her will be more important than things always being equal. However, that doesn't negate the validity of my thinking, nor the necessity for the discussion. Hopefully, by the time I propose I will have had this discussion with her, and she will want to get me something in return. |
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Aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you get neither.
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David
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| 07/08/2009 6:24 PM |
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Truth be told, I might not feel as strongly as I seem. Often, when having intellectual discussions, I come across with a great deal of passion and zeal when I really have very little emotion about the subject. This is because I love to have in depth intellectual discussions, and sometimes get a little carried away.
The other reason is that when I fall in love with a woman, my love for her will overcome my need for things to always be equal. However, that does not negate the validity of my thinking or the necessity for the discussion. Also, by the time I propose I will have had this conversation with a woman and hopefully she will want to get me something in return. |
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David
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| 07/08/2009 6:29 PM |
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| Crap. I hit submit and saw nothing, as it went to a sixth page. So I re-typed and re-submitted. Oops. |
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Aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you get neither.
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lugiebros.
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| 07/08/2009 7:22 PM |
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wow! this is a long forum. took me a long time to read before i could respond..... |
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clare
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| 07/11/2009 1:17 AM |
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I like what Zach said about the woman giving up so much for the man. That is so true! If it wasn't a symbolic sacrifice, David, there would be alot of headless, sacrificed women out there! What are we symbolically sacrificing with a ring...we are giving up our own life! We are saying that we will let him have the final say, he can have our very life, our bady, we will come along his side & help him! God created women with a deep passion for beauty and romance and those perfect settings. As a man you don't see it. When a girl sees that ring on her finger she (shouldn't) think how pretty it is, but most see & remember the look in her man's eyes. It's a tangible reminder of his love.When a man steps out of his crude world and tries to speak to the need of beauty in a woman's heart, it speaks more than anything.
I am not a jewelry freak. I just got my 2nd necklace, and at almost 19 got my ears pierced for the first time. My bf paid for that and he's dying to get me a ring or other jewelry. I'm the plain jane of the couple. Ok, so the other day I got a necklace with my bf, and it might as well be a promise ring. We are certainly not engaged, but because of his past we both need tangible evidence of our promise of purity. The metal band on his wrist with "jesus christ" engraved on it and the cross around my neck remind us every time we are together that it's all about Jesus and His desires. I guess in my mind that's what the promise ring is, the promise the remain pure till marriage. As a couple..it's hard! |
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David
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| 07/11/2009 11:00 PM |
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If it wasn't a symbolic sacrifice, David, there would be alot of headless, sacrificed women out there!
I'm confused as to what you mean here.
What are we symbolically sacrificing with a ring...
I was under the impression girls didn't give guys rings. Thus, girls give no symbol.
we are giving up our own life! We are saying that we will let him have the final say, he can have our very life, our bady, we will come along his side & help him!
Firstly, it rarely if ever means "he can have the final say." One of the punishments of Eve (and subsequently all of womanhood) would be a desire to control her husband. Rarely will a woman let the man have the final say. As to the rest of that sentence, the man is saying and willing to sacrifice all of that too, and this is apparently shown in the symbol of the ring. So it sounds like what you are saying is that the guy should have to present a physical symbol of all of those wonderful things he is willing to sacrifice for her, but that the woman's sacrifice should just be assumed and she should have to present no physical symbol? Well, that just doesn't seem right.
God created women with a deep passion for beauty and romance and those perfect settings. As a man you don't see it.
As someone for whom beauty plays a vital role in my belief in God, as someone who strongly looks forward to and has a serious drive to both instigate and be a part of romance and romantic situations, and as someone who is a man, I resent that statement.
When a girl sees that ring on her finger she (shouldn't) think how pretty it is, but most see & remember the look in her man's eyes. It's a tangible reminder of his love.
Why do men not deserve a tangible reminder of her love for him?
When a man steps out of his crude world and tries to speak to the need of beauty in a woman's heart, it speaks more than anything.
So men live in a crude world? Hardly.
Answer me this, Clare. Why should men receive no physical symbol of her commitment and love?
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clare
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| 07/11/2009 11:40 PM |
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Good grief where do I start. So because sin entered this world the woman is to be subject to her husband, because of sin she fights that, and that is wrong. A true woman is to support and help her husband and be submissive. That doesn't mean she is a lifeless lump with no opinion but it is the man's final decision that rules. That's how I was raised
Ok so you are one of the men who appreciates beauty. That's rare. I know many men who just don't see it! I love sunsets... and tiny flowers...and the guys I now don't! Those "soft" things are not a part of their world.My one brother sees the beauty in everything, the other four boys, beauty is a dirt bike or gun. And yes, guys have a crude world Guys alone and guys around girls are two different things! It's that guy's world where a slap on the shoulder says it all.
I fully intend on buying my man an engagement and wedding ring! He deserves that tangible evidence too! Maybe I should have mentioned that earlier. I love giving people things and my boyfriend loves spoiling me, but he's not used to the girl getting the guy things, and I love surprising him! I don't think it's a one way thing. the more I do for him the happier I am! I feel guilty if he pays every time so I take him out. He felt weird at first till he realized that's just my way of showing I like him.
Does that answer any of your questions? I have it all clear in my head but it isn't coming out how I want. Then when it gets dissected phrase by phrase it's hard to remember my train of though! you're good at keeping a discussion going..like some of my older siblings! |
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David
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| 07/13/2009 11:01 AM |
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I'm glad that you will get your future husband an engagement ring. My only goal in all of this is to get girls to realize that guys deserve a physical symbol just as much as girls do.
Ok so you are one of the men who appreciates beauty. That's rare. I know many men who just don't see it! I love sunsets... and tiny flowers...and the guys I now don't! Those "soft" things are not a part of their world.My one brother sees the beauty in everything, the other four boys, beauty is a dirt bike or gun.
Why do beautiful things have to be soft? There are many more men who appreciate beauty than you realize. There are not more women than men who appreciate beauty as you seem to assert; the numbers are equal. Just because you happen to know guys who don't seem to appreciate the same kinds of beauty that you do, does not mean that the vast majority of do not.
And yes, guys have a crude world
I'm sorry, but this is not only blatantly incorrect but also sexist and pretty offensive. Maybe by "crude" you don't mean what the word actually means, but if that is the case you need to change your terminology. To illustrate how what you are saying feels, consider this statement (which I don't believe, but it is an equivalent of what you are saying): women live in a world entirely of vanity. Offensive, right? |
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Aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you get neither.
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clare
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| 07/13/2009 1:32 PM |
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Maybe the way we use crude in our area isn't how it is used where you live, where ever that is. By crude I mean all the burping and other rude things guys are good at (tho I can out burp my bf..off the subject) a lot of guys out there think things are funny that as a girl I call base...and crude! This may not apply to you but it sure does to alot of other men I know.
As far as women living in a world of vanity, that isn't offensive at all! Because it's totally true for many women.As for me, it's not true. All my friends have the nerve to tell me I could use a little more. Hey, when I walk through the mall and see all those girls in there, I pretty much agree that girls do live in a world of entire vanity! There is no reason a person should buy $155 jeans or a $50 T shirt. People pay more attention to looks than character these days. |
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David
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| 07/13/2009 4:35 PM |
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| I still have to disagree with your assessment of men. The vast majority of men do not live in a crude world. I am not a rare exception. |
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Adelynn
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| 07/13/2009 5:17 PM |
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Maybe the crude guys are just more prominent, but there do seem to be more guys who will leave us in the kitchen while they go drink beer on the hoods of their cars than not.
But, I applaud all you great guys who really aren't like that!!!!!!!!!! Especially all you guys on here, you've given me hope =P |
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"Angel of Mercy, how did you find me? How did you pick me up again? Angel of Mercy, how did you move me, why am I on my feet again?" -One Republic |
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David
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| 07/13/2009 5:35 PM |
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| Where do you two live and what are the ages of the guys you know? |
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Aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you get neither.
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JoJo
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| 07/13/2009 7:23 PM |
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Actually... I agree with the girls here... even the guys in my youth group are quite, in a sence, crude... and I'll explain...
Becuase I'm like an older sister to alot of them, they tend to be themselves around me more than other girls... and some of the stuff that they talk about in normal conversations... I wanna block my ears, sit in a corner and say repeatedly "I did not just hear that..."
I really dont wanna discribe what I hear everyday... to any girl it would be really offensive... especially when the talk about sex or something and totally diminish what it is and talk about it in graphic terms and treat it like it's no big deal, even though they actually haven't done it themselves... IDK it's just gross and makes me wanna puke...
I donno if that explains anything, and I donno if that's what the girls were meaning, but thats just what I come across all the time... |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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David
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| 07/13/2009 7:57 PM |
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| Interesting. The amount of girls I've known who are very crude is equal to the amount of guys I've known. |
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Aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you get neither.
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JoJo
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| 07/13/2009 8:40 PM |
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fair enough... lol
IDk cuz I tend to only wanna hang out with girls who are similar to me, so I'd have no Idea how crude girls can be... lol but I'll take your word for it  |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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God Bless!
Mwah XOXO
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Adelynn
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| 07/16/2009 8:47 PM |
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I'm from New Englaaaan (minus the "d" because we're wicked awesome and that's how we roll) =P aaaaand the guys I hang out with would be around 19.
I know[/] guys that aren't crude... of course.... but many of them are. But then, many of my friends don't know or think that I was homeschooled, so maybe I manage to bring it to myself =) |
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"Angel of Mercy, how did you find me? How did you pick me up again? Angel of Mercy, how did you move me, why am I on my feet again?" -One Republic |
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David
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| 07/17/2009 10:56 AM |
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| Are there guys who are crude? Certainly. But there are also an equal number of girls who are crude. You cannot label one gender as crude, or say that one gender must ascend from their crude world to be worthy of the other, and not acknowledge that the other is equally crude. In fact, from my experience and the experience of many guys I know, the crudest, dirtiest and most raunchy conversations we have ever heard have been from girls. |
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Aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you get neither.
- C.S. Lewis |
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Cayla Renae
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| 07/17/2009 12:49 PM |
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| I don't have a huge opinion on the subject that has developed here, but I do have this to say: God gave men a lot of testosterone, thus they are manly. Generally guys are more rough and tumble than girls - many (note: many, not all) beat each other up and consider that a great bonding time. Many girls (note: many, not all) are not rough and tumble... they just want to talk. Am I a rough and tumble girl? Yes, but I also love to talk. There are always acceptions to any generalization, but generally guys are more rough, and girls are more... uh... girly. Both can be crude & rude, and both can be sensitive & sweet! |
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Cayla Renae
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| 07/17/2009 12:53 PM |
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Oh, and getting back to the title topic...
I don't necessarily want a diamond - if my future husband gets me a different kind of rock and he has a reason and puts thought and effort into it, I will love it. Also, I think I would like to get him a symbol of engagement too, as David has said... maybe a bracelet or a necklace or something he can wear all the time as a reminder of our commitment to one another! |
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lugiebros.
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| 07/17/2009 6:42 PM |
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| it so hard to stand up agaist the culture, like the apostle paul did. It used to mean something but now when a man and a woman get married , its done for the wrong reasons. The idea of the ring itself a physical symbolism of the flesh joining to become one, Now it seems meaningless. Im sory if i speak out of turn, but i deeply feel that this world is evil and the morality that we once had at a time is gone. I cleary live in a country where none of this matters, oe in which the overall goal of life is greed, lusts, and ultamate indulgences of the flesh. Im taking a stand on such things that i still value... the time is comming. We as the youth of the world today our indeed the last generation before christ jesus returns. Its sad because so many people claim to be christians but don't live up to it. A recent study showed that in 'America' (a country that claims to be prodomantly christian) about 90% of the population are religous, out of that 90%, 70% believe in GOD as christians. Finally out of those 70% that claim to be christains only 4% actually follow christ. i say this because how can we expect to see a true marriage if, the marriage itself isnt valued anymore. If you take a close look at the world the west is falling due to immorality, the east is rising as a corrupt power system, and the world is moving into a one world government. this is just the first of many signs in todays age that piont toward the secound comming of jesus.... |
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